Obama: Republicans out of step with American values

so what values is he speaking of. the value of "i can do anything wrong i want and the taxpayer will cover for me?"

if you dont mind (cause im sure you dont agree with that statement) what values do you think he is speaking of?

not to try and pick on you, but when i see a statement that has not a bit of fact but relies on name calling and yet gets 45+ people to agree with it, i feel i must know more about what they are agreeing with (as they should).

Those who oppose heatlh care reform are the ones who think that they can do whatever they want and have the government pay for it.

that statement doesnt make any sense. health care starts at home with the individual. if people would take better care of themselves in general terms, there would be more money left over for those who have issues they simply cannot take care of.

eat healthy and exercise. this will leave enough room in the hospital for those hit by a car or who suffer from cancer.

Those who oppose heatlh care reform are the ones who think that they can do whatever they want and have the government pay for it.

What? That is exactly the opposite of the truth...

Obamacare is all about Health care for FREE to everyone.... LOL

Not *quite* true.

We did not get single payer so health care isn't free to everyone.

What's supposed to happen in 2014 is health insurance is mandatory like having car insurance if you have a car. The government will subsidize your insurance if you can't afford it which for most families won't be possible but you will be expected to contribute based on your income.

Your concern has been duly noted.

I question the people who constantly put up the false dichotomy that both the parties are the same and both equally bad.

The dems gave us min wage increase, healthcare reform, financial protections against the mega banks, ue extensions and is paying for stem cell science, all of this the right fought. The dems arent perfect but they are far from as bad as the right is.

And let me guess, libertarian? and only Ron Paul has america's and its citizens interests in mind?

The dems arent perfect but they are far from as bad as the right is.

Remember what Barney Frank said?

"We're not perfect, but they're nuts."

That's what I think when people try to say there is no difference between the Democrats and Republicans.

I question the people who constantly put up the false dichotomy that both the parties are the same and both equally bad.

That's because it's crap. It's concern-trolling. Scratch that concern-trolling and you are going to find someone who can say nothing positive about his party (and his party is the GOP) but wants to tar the Dems with the same brush in order to keep the status quo.

It is exactly the opposite of what it seems -- it is not an independent eschewing both parties, it is a partisan trying to contain the horrific damage his party is doing itself.

#3.2:I question the people who constantly put up the false dichotomy that both the parties are the same and both equally bad...

The dems gave us min wage increase, healthcare reform, financial protections against the mega banks, ue extensions and is paying for stem cell science, all of this the right fought. The dems arent perfect but they are far from as bad as the right is.

Excellent comment, and thanks for not letting the right-wing attempt to placate and place equal blame on the Democrats and the left wing.

All of this divisiveness and hate has been going on since President Obama was elected by the repugs ONLY. There is no way around this and the repugs need to admit it.

But I am accustomed to the R's lying and twisting the truth, so it is no surprise that they will not admit these scurrilous and offensive, sometimes racist, acts and lies.

thisbusymonster: Bullseye with your comment!

DivagatingThoughts

I question the people who constantly put up the false dichotomy that both the parties are the same and both equally bad.

That strategy is deliberate, and was actually spelled out some time back by a former GOP operative. Here's a clip:

A couple of years ago, a Republican committee staff director told me candidly (and proudly) what the method was to all this obstruction and disruption. Should Republicans succeed in obstructing the Senate from doing its job, it would further lower Congress's generic favorability rating among the American people. By sabotaging the reputation of an institution of government, the party that is programmatically against government would come out the relative winner.

A deeply cynical tactic, to be sure, but a psychologically insightful one that plays on the weaknesses both of the voting public and the news media. There are tens of millions of low-information voters who hardly know which party controls which branch of government, let alone which party is pursuing a particular legislative tactic. These voters' confusion over who did what allows them to form the conclusion that "they are all crooks," and that "government is no good," further leading them to think, "a plague on both your houses" and "the parties are like two kids in a school yard." This ill-informed public cynicism, in its turn, further intensifies the long-term decline in public trust in government that has been taking place since the early 1960s - a distrust that has been stoked by Republican rhetoric at every turn ("Government is the problem," declared Ronald Reagan in 1980).

http://www.truth-out.org/goodbye-all-reflections-gop-operative-who-left-cult/1314907779

You people never cease to amaze me. Do you have to have loyalty to one party or the other? How about loyalty to the Country, the Flag, a God, your fellow neighbor? You folks have no loyalty to any of those, and anyone that does not fall lockstep with your propaganda is labeled the things you labeled me in your comments. You all are pathetic to say the least. Now go ahead and put your spin on this comment as you did my other. Values? You people wouldn't know a value if it came up and bit you on the nose you have shoved so far up the Liberal ideologies ass. I don't follow anyone, nor will I ever. There are followers and there are leaders. There are Dems, there are Reps. and then there are true Americans. Twist that.

Do you have to have loyalty to one party or the other?

...Values? You people wouldn't know a value if it came up and bit you on the nose you have shoved so far up the Liberal ideologies ass

Apparently the irony present in your own statement is lost on you. Your own loyalty to right-wing ideology doesn't apply?

Oh, that's right. You're a right winger, so you can't be mistaken.

Here's a list of principles and values. Why not look them over and tell us how many you could agree with? Everyone should read them and reply back with how many they could agree with. I think when we put partisan politics aside we will find we all have more in common than we think.

Principles

Values

MIKE,

I am with you on all of these Brother but you are falling on deaf ears in this forum.

I hope not Texas. All I want is a little honesty and self reflection out of them. If we could only be honest with each other, and ourselves first, the rest would fall into place naturally.

One of the most important values of the repub party is: """Let them die"""

In the end, the government will do whatever the voters want it to do.

Voters are siding with President Obama's actions, values and policies. President Obama is ahead of all the repubs in this election.

Alex, "In the end, the government will do whatever the voters want it to do." How about what the the majority of the people want it to do?

I think that's where the problem lies. The fact that out of the 217 million eligible voters, 146 million registered, and only about 125 million showing up to vote, can't really give an accurate account of what the majority of the 330 million people really think of the "President Obama's actions, values and policies" ? Out of the 125 million votes also realize the POTUS only got a little over half at 53% of those. In summary that means 67 million are speaking on behalf of 330 million. No wonder we are so @!$%#ed up. it's our own fault really. Here's a very interesting chart. Notice the large gap in electoral votes in ratio to popular vote percentages.

Popular 66,882,230 D 58,343,671 R
vote % Popular 53% D 46% R
vote % D R Electoral Votes 365 D 173 R

Alabama
811,764
38.8%
1,264,879
60.4%

9

Alaska
105,650
37.7
168,844
60.2

3

Arizona
948,648
45.0
1,132,560
53.8

10

Arkansas
418,049
38.8
632,672
58.8

6

California
7,245,731
60.9
4,434,146
37.3
55

Colorado
1,216,793
53.5
1,020,135
44.9
9

Connecticut
979,316
60.5
620,210
38.3
7

Delaware
255,394
61.9
152,356
37.0
3

District of Columbia
210,403
92.9
14,821
6.5
3

Florida
4,143,957
50.9
3,939,380
48.4
27

Georgia
1,843,452
47.0
2,048,244
52.2

15

Hawaii
324,918
71.8
120,309
26.6
4

Idaho
235,219
36.1
400,989
61.5

4

Illinois
3,319,237
61.8
1,981,158
36.9
21

Indiana
1,367,264
49.9
1,341,101
49.0
11

Iowa
818,240
54.0
677,508
44.7
7

Kansas
499,979
41.4
685,541
56.8

6

Kentucky
746,510
41.1
1,043,264
57.5

8

Louisiana
780,981
39.9
1,147,603
58.6

9

Maine
421,484
57.6
296,195
40.5
4

Maryland
1,579,890
61.9
938,671
36.8
10

Massachusetts
1,891,083
62.0
1,104,284
36.2
12

Michigan
2,867,680
57.4
2,044,405
40.9
17

Minnesota
1,573,323
54.2
1,275,400
44.0
10

Mississippi
520,864
42.8
687,266
56.4

6

Missouri
1,439,364
49.3
1,444,352
49.4

11

Montana
229,725
47.2
241,816
49.7

3

Nebraska
324,352
41.5
446,039
57.0
1
4

Nevada
531,884
55.1
411,988
42.7
5

New Hampshire
384,591
54.3
316,937
44.8
4

New Jersey
2,085,051
56.8
1,545,495
42.1
15

New Mexico
464,458
56.7
343,820
42.0
5

New York
4,363,386
62.2
2,576,360
36.7
31

North Carolina
2,123,390
49.9
2,109,698
49.5
15

North Dakota
141,113
44.7
168,523
53.3

3

Ohio
2,708,685
51.2
2,501,855
47.2
20

Oklahoma
502,294
34.4
959,745
65.6

7

Oregon
978,605
57.1
699,673
40.8
7

Pennsylvania
3,192,316
54.7
2,586,496
44.3
21

Rhode Island
281,209
63.1
157,317
35.3
4

South Carolina
850,121
44.9
1,018,756
53.8

8

South Dakota
170,886
44.7
203,019
53.2

3

Tennessee
1,081,074
41.8
1,470,160
56.9

11

Texas
3,521,164
43.8
4,467,748
55.5

34

Utah
301,771
34.2
555,497
62.9

5

Vermont
219,105
67.8
98,791
30.6
3

Virginia
1,958,370
52.7
1,726,053
46.4
13

Washington
1,547,632
57.5
1,097,176
40.5
11

West Virginia
301,438
42.6
394,278
55.7

5

Wisconsin
1,670,474
56.3
1,258,181
42.4
10

Wyoming
80,496
32.7
160,639
65.2

3

Total
66,882,230
53.0
58,343,671
46.0
365
173

Values

Certainly all true. Too bad so many on the Right possess none of these, or just a few.

gatoralum:

"Certainly all true. Too bad so many on the Right possess none of these, or just a few."

That's quite the broad brush you are painting everyone with; don't you think?

That is why we have elections. President Obama is answering to the majority who put him in office by keeping the promises he made to those who voted for him.

"keeping the promises he made to those who voted for him"

REALLY ?

Promise Broken rulings on the The Obameter

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/rulings/promise-broken/

Only 4 pages of BROKEN PROMISES based on PolitiFact... Only about 60 or so !

I have thought about the broken promises some. Most are promises attempted and stymied by Congress. Some are promises that when your are elected and see the BIG picture, those promises can never be fulfilled.

JMO

Actually, Texas, you are right. Only those on the Rick Santorum extreme of the right lack those values. That is a small, yet vocal, minority of the Republican party.

Jim44. If you have problem with him not keeping those promises, get ahold of the @!$%# Republicans elected in 2010 who are preventing him from doing the things he promised and tell them to get out of the way. I love the hypocrisy of those who decry the President's failure to do everything he said he would do if elected and who oppose every step of the way his attempts to accomplish those very things.

Gator, It's the fine print and not knowing whats in those bills, and those promises the POTUS was making, that the right had issue with. Remember Pelosi's own infamous words, "We have to pass the bills to know what's in them." With a mentality like that I'm glad somebody was "In the way" in Congress.

Ah ... Dawg

I pretty much agree with you and posted the list just as a counter to the statement ...

by keeping the promises he made to those who voted for him.

gatoralum

get ahold of the @!$%# Republicans elected in 2010 who are preventing him from doing the things he promised and tell them to get out of the way.

You seem to not quite understand the concept of elections in this country... Those "@!$%# Republicans" as you call them were elected to do just that.... Stop him from doing the things he wanted to do that the American people represented by the @!$%#s... ELECTED THEM TO STOP!!!!

I know its a strange concept to some... most often democrats would rather have a Judge change the things they don't like...But I am told that ELECTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES...

So DEAL with it ...

2010 is old news. As of now, President Obama is winning this new election.

hahahaha

The behavior of the repubs in 2011 had consequences and the consequences are that President Obama is winning the election and the repubs have extremely low approval ratings.

You keep saying he is winning the election... The election is on November 6 th not a day before or a day after... You may think that he is ahead in the polls or he has public opinion on his side... But he is WINNING NO ELECTION as of yet...

And nothing personal or mean meant but it kind of looks silly for you to keep saying he is "winning the election" Just saying ...

Jim it's also worth mentioning that with about 50% of the voters still claiming undecided, the jury is still out as to who will win anything. I think a good example of this would be the Republicans still fighting over a nominee. I think for the first time in some time people are really taking their time in picking who will represent them. I for one like the fact there are still three of them in it. Maybe for once we will see a candidate the people want, not one the establishment tells us we want. This BS excuse, that he's the one that can beat BHO, is just that BS. I'm more interested in who stands with the people, and intends on speaking for us. If the majority vote BHO, so be it, but if the majority happen to vote for Gingrich, Santorum, or Paul, so be that too. The question people need to ask themselves is who will represent America, and all it stands for unconditionally., not who can unseat the current POTUS.

I agree Mike ..

But I did find it curious that you said 3 and when you named them left off Romney ...hahaha You saying something without saying something?

You caught me good buddy. I left out Romney because he is the establishment, and the medias candidate, and not necessarily the peoples candidate. They've been ramming Romney down our throats since day one which automatically raises red flags with me. You know when MSNBC loves him it can't be good for the rest of us.

smiles ... Not my choice either ..LOL

That'll be 2016 campaign. By that time the Tea Party will be gone, by design. They will be going after the young voters, the ones born during Clinton's last term and Bush's first term. At eight years old politics and economics was "yeah, Ok". Being 16 and looking for a job during Obama's first term, now you are 20 and the Republicans blame that on the Dems and Obama.

They're sabotaging the campaign, this is going to get blamed (the whole far right lurch, and the extremism) on the Tea Party. The Tea Party will get jettisoned, the Republicans will move left and credibility will increase. All by design...

Studi, please tell me you have inside information & that is truly what they are doing. I am tired of not really having a choice for President.

Look at the history, in 2008 if another Republican got the White House they would have had to answear for a ruined economy. Better to sit in the cheap seats. So, they throw the "old man" up there for respect, and then tell anyone qualified that they refuse to be the running mate. Entrance of a "Forced Marriage"....Palin. The Jethro Bodeen of politics.

Sabotaged...Allow doubts about McCain's health linger, showing who would be the President next....

2010 used the first two years of filibuster two campaign and gain control of the House. Been throwing bombs since.

Even in 2012 the "Republican recession" is still in most opinion, would still have to have a plan better than Obama's, none. Except now comes Romney and they have no control, so now it's "lose by association". Implode, blame it on the tea party and clean house.

Studius, I think we can sit back and watch that very scenario unfold. Now, is there a central authority behind it?

Mmmmm, I agree to a point, Studius. I don't think the R's can accurately blame the Tea Party since they were the small government, don't tax me guys, astroturfed by none other than the Grover Norquist groups. They won't be throwing him under any bus any time soon.

They (the good ol' boys) lost control of the process for a number of reasons but the "heir to the throne" mentality isn't working for them because of a Gingrich vendetta and a Santorum religious perversion.

Still, the right can spin anything and make it look like fact, so they'll be blaming someone for their losses - the Tea Party is good enough of a scapegoat, I guess.

To this I credit Rupert Murdoch. He rode and promoted the Tea Party train. It was a wonderful money maker. Look at the ratings they enjoyed. But now that's slipping, and so first to go was Beck. I knew then that the Tea Party was getting jettisoned.

I don't know if there is a central authority, I do think several of the movers and shakers behind the scenes collude and end to a means. That was the beauty of the Tea Party idea. Didn't you ever notice a Tea Party member say there was "No Leaders"? That was the intention, stuff could be handed down and marching orders given without any one person being responsible. So now they will just starve do death and be blamed for the mistakes the whole lot of the right made.

Obama will win re-election, not because he is competent.

Au contraire. He got bin Laden. Quaddafi is out of power and dead. With employment now roaring back to life, I'd say any reasonable question of Obama's competency has been settled. Any kvetching you have to do on that subject seems more sour grapes than fact-based criticism.

Hillary should have been the nominee

Hillary blew it when she started trying to re-define what votes counted and didn't count. Also, I notice that Hillary's healthcare plan died without even making it to a vote, and Obama's got passed into law. Again, there is no comparison. You seem to have some other criteria that you are unable to name, for not liking Obama . . .

Obama is too competent and that just scares the bejeezuz out of Republicans.

Republicans are scared of Obama, because their out of date philosophy and mindset cannot comprehend him.

I love how cons try to say they could have weathered the disaster their last president left so easily...what claptrap . When the republicans have had a similar level crisis to contend with...they blew up they economy and created a great depression out of a market panic...and that republican choose the teabagger option of cutting tax rates and trying to balance the budget which contracted the economy and unemployment...the polar opposite of what President Obama has done...And republicans like Cantor can't understand why their agenda , Dubyanomics on steroids ,is so wildly unpopular.

#5:Hillary should have been the nominee...how did the Dems pick such an empty suit.

The Democrats picked the Best Candidate there was available. And the majority of American citizens agreed and voted for the Best Candidate.

It is too bad that you label YOUR President an "empty suit"! That is not very American of you. You are an American citizen are you not?

Obama is an "empty suit" and i see nothing unAmerican saying it as i remember the names liberals called Bush and had no problem with being UNAMERICAN as you put it. But i suppose thats ok for hypocrites on the left to do.

nothing unAmerican saying it as i remember the names liberals called Bush

Gotcha..."they do it too!" the hallmark of third graders everywhere.

The Steward Understands His Role.
All creatures and all natural resources belong to the Creator God (Exodus 19:5, Psalm 24:1). The divine Owner delegated to man the responsibility to be a steward of the natural order of creation. That is, man was called to subdue and rule over the earth (Genesis 1:28) while being careful "to dress it" (serve it) and "keep it" (preserve it) (Genesis 2:15).

The Christian steward understands that all men are economists in the sense that all are managers of their part of the household of earth. He realizes that he cannot live in greed and careless over consumption of food, energy, and other resources without adversely affecting his neighbor and the other creatures. Because of the ecological and economic interconnectedness that exists around the world, the demands of one person's lifestyle can have an impact upon the lives of many others. I wonder how republicans and Santorum who push their christianity have arrived at the conclusion President Obama has it wrong? Drill Baby Drill without regulations or oversight before drilling is done (pushing the pipeline)? Today, we live on the same planet, but it seems that all is not good. The evidence is everywhere in our environment. Instead of life-sustaining rain from the heavens, we receive "acid rain." Millions in developing nations suffer because ~ of water shortages or water supplies that are contaminated by; toxic chemicals or disease organisms. Expanding deserts, drought, I and famine are affecting millions of lives daily. Even in America, the growth and prosperity of whole communities are threatened by dwindling water supplies. The soil that nourishes us, the air that ~ we breathe, and the fuels for our industries, cars, and homes are; also diminishing in quantity and quality. Republicans want to continue to push NO Regulations?

Hope does not justify a disregard for the environment and the natural resources of the earth. Hope is having Faith. Faith is the assurance of things Hoped for. It is with certainty that what we hope for is waiting for us, even though we cannot see it up ahead. Things hoped for is confidence that things it can be done with committment and hard work. Yes some things must Change. Yes We Can as Americans can dot it. Hmmm, Republicans have just said no to just about everything and sit on their hands refuse to help clean up the mess they helped to create. Focused on making this President a one term President by bashing him and saying No rather than to work with the President in cleaning this mess and helping those who have suffered the most from policies they have created over the past 30-40 years. Yep, Republicans are out of step with American Values. I have to agree with the President in this One. Greed, Selfishness, Forcing ones belief on others, Denying/Supressing people's rights to regain power is not the way. Government is For the People By the People. Not for the 1% By the 1%.

Sorry to say, it was true. Bush was an empty suit led around by Cheney. Embarrassingly so.

Let's face it: the Republicans are also scared to death because—and some of you Newsviners are going to have a stroke when you read this, but that's your problem, so here we go—Barack Obama has that priceless, often magical and wholly ineffable quality known as charisma. Call it style, force of personality, an extraordinary gift for public speaking, grace under fire, what have you, but Franklin Delano Roosevelt had it, John Fitzgerald Kennedy had it, Ronald Wilson Reagan had it, William Jefferson Clinton has it, all to varying degrees and in different ways [and again, some myocardial infarctions here and there among certain readers]. I recall many instances in which staunchly conservative Republican members of Congress and GOP governors who were vigorously opposed to the policies of Bill Clinton said with disarming frankness that even if you disagreed with his ideas you couldn't help but like him. I often felt the same way about Ronald Reagan. In his televised debates against Jimmy Carter, Reagan made the incumbent president—an exceedingly intelligent, articulate and determined individual—look like a peevish floorwalker in a department store. "Uh oh," I remember thinking.

The current Republican presidential candidates are about as charismatic as a bag of pork rinds.

#5.9:Let's face it: the Republicans are also scared to death because—and some of you Newsviners are going to have a stroke when you read this, but that's your problem, so here we go—Barack Obama has that priceless, often magical and wholly ineffable quality known as charisma. Call it style, force of personality, an extraordinary gift for public speaking, grace under fire, what have you, but Franklin Delano Roosevelt had it, John Fitzgerald Kennedy had it, Ronald Wilson Reagan had it, William Jefferson Clinton has it, all to varying degrees and in different ways [and again, some myocardial infarctions here and there among certain readers].

I am so glad that you composed your comments because they are all true! "I spun in your glory" for calling it like it is because the truth is also the light.

Oftentimes I have struggled to come up with words that would describe why some people hate this President so much. I have resolved that the emotion (s) being put forth involve a lot of envy and jealousy,and not just HATE, for one reason: no one can hate another person that much- especially if you don't even know the person.

I also believe that racism plays a major role in this dichomy as well, but again, not everyone who "hates" the President is a racist.

One newsviner recently described the situation as "those that hate to love the President", which I found was amazingly "on target" in an ironic way.

Charisma says it all- and explains it totally. There is nothing you can do about it, you either have it or you don't. Thank you again for the food for thought!

Obama is the best person for the job in the US today.

Cons, you don't even know when you are being saved from yourselves.

Thanks so much, MaryEllen Galloway: I sincerely hope that all is going well with you and your loved ones, my friend. Take care and keep the faith. ; )

#5.9, 10, 11, good and true comments, my friends. We keep working for The President and we will win in 2012!

It is too bad that you label YOUR President an "empty suit"! That is not very American of you. You are an American citizen are you not?

MEG

Need you be reminded of what the Left said and called G.W Bush for almost 8 years?

Calling him an "empty suit" would have been a compliment .....What was your position on HOW AMERICAN THOSE PEOPLE WERE.... ?

And would you care to take a trip down memory lane and look back on the things you have said about President Bush? The things you might have called him..?

That is not very American of you. You are an American citizen are you not?

How would you reply to someone saying this to you and the way you have spoken about President Bush? I am not accusing you of anything, let me be clear! But kind a harsh statement for something as mellow as "empty Suit" compared to what you and I both know has been said about GWB ,,,,

Jim44 you a big fan of Bush? Sorry he was an awful President, not an awful man in my opinion, but one hell of a bad president who larded 6 trilllion in debt when he should have brought a surplus, botched 2 major occupations and destroyed the economy 3 months before he was finished...If there was ever an empty suit...Bush was it...and I don't say that based on how republicans sought to destroy Clinton, either.

Maryellen, I think you need to read adler #5.9 again, because you didn't understand a word of it by your reply on #5.10. The way I comprehended it was to mean BHO, is a very likable fellow, it's the policies many have an issue with, not his color, or personality.

#5.9, 10, 11, good and true comments, my friends. We keep working for The President and we will win in 2012!

Thanks, friend. We will keep working for this President, and as you say, we will win again in 2012.

#5.14:How would you reply to someone saying this to you and the way you have spoken about President Bush? I am not accusing you of anything, let me be clear! But kind a harsh statement for something as mellow as "empty Suit" compared to what you and I both know has been said about GWB ,,,,

First of all let me introduce myself: my name is Mary Ellen Galloway. I am introducing myself because you do not know me! You therefore do not know what I was doing when gwb was serving as president.

You also do not know what I called gwb - if anything! So don't assume anything with me, and I will do the same for you.

It would also serve you well to not ask me any questions - especially if I have not asked you any. I ask specific people, specific questions-for specific reasons. I don't ask questions to people I don't want to talk to.

I was taught this as a child, it is called minding your own business. I feel that this has helped me a great deal in my more than 65 years here on earth. I feel others should do the same. It would be a much better world for all involved.

##5.16:Maryellen, I think you need to read adler #5.9 again, because you didn't understand a word of it by your reply on #5.10. The way I comprehended it was to mean BHO, is a very likable fellow, it's the policies many have an issue with, not his color, or personality.

Mike, I don't need any interpretation- of any kind- from you. And why did you say that I didn't understand a word of it because of my reply (#5.10).

Are you proposing that you are a physic and that what was written was not meant? Or that I mis -understood what was written?

Or is it just your interpretation that counts? Why, because it is different from mine? If this is the case, what makes your interpretation count, and not mine?

I am saying all of that to say this, if things are not clear: I say and write what I darn well please and if you disagree with MY interpretation, feel free to add YOUR comment. But don't ever state or assume that I am wrong in my interpretation. You do not have my mind!

Maryellen, I think you need to read adler #5.9 again, because you didn't understand a word of it by your reply on #5.10.

Not exactly the way to win friends and influence people, Mike. Ease up a bit. And your take on what I had to say is off the mark.

Perhaps you should read what I posted again, and also what MaryEllen submitted after having considered my comments - to wit:

One newsviner recently described the situation as "those that hate to love the President", which I found was amazingly "on target" in an ironic way.

Meaning that there are hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of decent, well-meaning, highly perceptive but still [strangely enough] undecided American voters out there who—were they to see him in a series of debates against one of the uninspiring (and I'm being very generous here) candidates that the GOP has to offer, and even if they were to feel, for whatever reason, that they were doing so 'against their better judgment,' or even if they were to strongly disagree with some of his policy decisons—would vote, on the basis of that X-factor I referred to above, for Barack Obama in a New York minute.

I'm not talking about Barack Obama being "a likable fellow" at all. My butcher is a likable fellow, but my butcher doesn't have star quality.

#5.20:I'm not talking about Barack Obama being "a likable fellow" at all. My butcher is a likable fellow, but my butcher doesn't have star quality.

THANks!

:-)

Please read above: "even if they were to strongly disagree with some of his policy decisions"—it's late. Good night and good luck.

First of all let me introduce myself: my name is Mary Ellen Galloway.

No need you react to my post.... has assured there will be no further contact....

I am introducing myself because you do not know me! You therefore do not know what I was doing when gwb was serving as president.

Interesting since I made no aspirations toward you ... Claiming you had done anything...

You also do not know what I called gwb - if anything! So don't assume anything with me, and I will do the same for you.

Which most likely would be why I said ..

And would you care to take a trip down memory lane and look back on the things you have said about President Bush?

Implying nothing... negative..

The things you might have called him..?

Operative word "might"

It would also serve you well to not ask me any questions - especially if I have not asked you any.

Interesting concept ...Speak only if spoken to ... But sorry not a Child to be seen and not heard or to speak only when spoken to ... Sorry way to old for that attitude! My mommy is dead and I don't need another one...

I ask specific people, specific questions-for specific reasons.

Which I did...

I don't ask questions to people I don't want to talk to.

Nor do I ... Which would be why I asked the question in the first place... However I was not aware of you personal rule on a site designed to facilitate discussion that you must instigate contact or a protocol devised by you for you... Is violated...

I was taught this as a child, it is called minding your own business. I feel that this has helped me a great deal in my more than 65 years here on earth. I feel others should do the same. It would be a much better world for all involved.

Please allow me to assure you.... you will not need worry that I might break your personal rules of etiquette for all News Vine members to follow... when making contact with you...

By contacting you again in the future... It Will never happen ! Because I to have some rules I live by and one of them is when someone reacts in a very rude manner toward me for no reason .. I divest myself of them post hast and never look back... Something I had learned in my childhood and have practiced for my 54 years here on Gods Green earth ....

Austin Rick - Where do you get the right to decide what is "saving" others "from themselves". Along with the "right to succeed" is the "right to fail". We have the right to make mistakes. Only BIG BROTHER takes those rights away from its citizens.

Need you be reminded of what the Left said and called G.W Bush for almost 8 years?

An incompetent, reckless moron who didn't have any priorities other than enriching his @!$%# buddies?

Truth hurts, doesn't it?

I called the Shrub worse than that and still do. He is a waste of a meatsack. I detested that he brought JC into the dialog - all presidents before only used "god" and not the kid because not all of Americans care about JC, let alone worship him. So, he messed up big time and then he went to war on lies. And, he never ever was elected President, not in 2000 and not in 2004.

Sorry I got this one late (busy week), Mary Ellen, Adler, I'm proud of you two and others for holding the fort.

I may have overlooked it due to the fact that the title of the article simply tells it like it is.

I saw the poll numbers above and see we're a little more than half way on abolishing prejudice in our country. I feel my own community out and know this is why many didn't vote. They knew Obama was the right choice and chose not to vote because prejudice prevailed. At least they didn't choose to vote McCain / Palin because as all of us, were fed up with the Republican party. Pretty silly but, those were the answers I received in my private inquiries. I'd attribute at least 10% or better to those who simply don't vote on a regular basis, as per my poll.

To any nay sayers out there I would invite you to study the Tuskeegee airmen of WWII. They not only proved black men are fantastic leaders but they can continually go above and beyond what stereotypical expectations demanded. If that doesn't change your point of view try watching the movie "Hart's War."

I stand in awe of those men and believe our POTUS is of the same caliber.

This scares the hell out of the GOP and they feel if they object to anything Obama stands for it'll make them right somehow.

Of course it only took a brain the size of a walnut to drive a 20 ton dinosaur. Amazing how small shallow minds think.

As stated above someone asked for honesty and Ronny Reagan would say, "Well,......there you have it."

If my comments offend some I simply do not care, all I ask is that if you hold prejudice in your heart you should continue to "not" vote and we'll fix America for you. Backing the stupidity of the GOP is out of step with American values.

Nah, probably not. Definitely not. God loves them. And apparently hates the rest of us. Not sure what we did to deserve that though.

Nah... just not the God choosen political party to win the 2012 election.

I'm not going to be lectured on values from some bastard President who smoked pot through college, whose Daddy was a lousy deadbeat drunk Muslim and whose Mommy left her son to be raised by a granny while she crawled into a bottle.

Barack Obama has all the moral values of a pothead bastard because that's exactly what he is.

Well, you live up to your billing MeanGene.

So, Barack Obama

• Grew up without a father
• His mother was absent for a few years before dying of ovarian cancer
• His WHITE grandparents basically raised him
• He put himself through Harvard Law
• He was elected president of the Harvard Law Review
• He Put himself through Columbia Law
• He taught constitutional law at the university of Chicago for 12 years
• He practiced civil rights law at a mid sized law firm for 9 years
• He was elected to an Illinois state senate seat
• He was elected to a U.S. senate seat
• He was elected president of the United States

And you think there is nothing you can learn from Barack Obama? You must have a truly impressive list of accomplishments in your life MeanGene. I salute your innate superiority sir. Must be the genes.

And oh yeah, I assume you didn't smoke pot in college because you missed out on the whole higher education experience. Trust me MeanGene, almost everyone does try pot in college. So, Obama is in touch with mainstream America there.

There's nothing that worthless jerk can teach me. He didn't put himself through anything, the dumbass rode the coattails of affirmative action cashing in on the color of his skin because he's a master at playing the race card.

The useless scum is the Affirmative Action President. He got elected by idiots who were apologizing for slavery at the poll booth who were too stupid to even realize nobody in Obama's history has ever even been a slave.

He cashes in chips for societal debts he's not even owed. He's a fraud and a scammer, a dirty double-dealing Chicago Politician.

Haven't you ever wondered how a creep like him amassed $12 Million in net worth without holding a real job one day in his damned thieving and fraudulent life? Obama is scum, he's rotten to the very core, he is evil incarnate and I hate everything he stands for.

And oh yeah, I assume you didn't smoke pot in college because you missed out on the whole higher education experience. Trust me MeanGene, almost everyone does try pot in college. So, Obama is in touch with mainstream America there.

56% of Americans have never touched marijuana. Only the most evil people are even tempted by the demon weed. Every bastard who has smoked marijuana needs to be thrown UNDER THE JAIL because they have forfeited their humanity and become agents of Satan possessed by the demon weed.

MeanGene I can see by the eloquent statement of your thoughts above thoughts that you are a serious thinker who devotes careful consideration to your contributions here on Newsvine.

I had mistakenly assumed you were simply just another hate filled disciple of the Tea party and white supremacists. But I can see now that I was mistaken. Your God's love is apparent in your every word so that all may know her greatness.

Excuse me now, I'm off to throw myself "UNDER THE JAIL" just as soon as I can figure out what that means. It seems like the right thing to do. I'm assuming I'll find lot's of alcohol and tobacco users under there as well. I hope it's not too crowded. I enjoy my space. I can tell you're a space fan as well. Cheers.

MeanGene I can see by the eloquent statement of your thoughts above thoughts that you are a serious thinker who devotes careful consideration to your contributions here on Newsvine.

I had mistakenly assumed you were simply just another hate filled disciple of the Tea party and white supremacists. But I can see now that I was mistaken. Your God's love is apparent in your every word so that all may know her greatness.

God's love does not belong in government. Government is a necessary evil, but it is, and shall always be, an evil. There will never be a good that comes from government. God should be a forbidden subject when discussing government.

For example, about 47 Million Americans benefit from welfare, but welfare imposes costs upon over 120 Million Americans. This makes the harm to benefit ratio greater than 2:1, and the program hurts more than double the number of people it "helps".

If you hurt two people to help one person, then you are committing an act of greater evil than good. The RIDICULOUS justification for this is to say that the two people can afford the pain inflicted because they're wealthier. That's a load of crap and I don't buy it. You're still hurting more people than you're helping and that's wrong.

Don't bother with replying to MeanGene - he hasn't had sex for two decades! LOL

Bigotry, envy, dishonesty and hate are evl. Meangene's posts have all of these evils in abundance. Any black man smarter than him, more accomplished than him, a better husband or father than him; who is all around a better human being than him will always be the target of the hateful bigot. Their accomplishments are not real; only the product of affirmative action while their many failure are not their fault, but the fault of "others" getting special treatment. The good man and wonderful President has proven, again and again, that those who hate him have not real clue about him.

Most so-called "civil rights" are fictions. There's no "right to health care". There's no "right to a living wage". There's no "right to economic equality".

These "civil rights" are cut from whole cloth out of the clear blue sky and fail to meet the test of true rights.

A true right can never impose an obligation upon another person. For example:

You have a right to freedom of speech. You cannot force anyone to listen to you.

You have a right to freedom of religion. You cannot force anyone to go to church with you.

You have a right to freedom of assembly. You cannot force anyone to join you.

What liberals are calling "rights" are nothing but stupid communist manifesto crap.

Please read the Constitution, all of it, including the Preamble. Then immerse yourself in etiology so that you understand the use and underpinnings of the word "welfare". Then pray to your mythic sky god to give some understanding of what was created here.

Those rights impose an obligation on other people or the government to respect them. President Obama is ahead of the repubs in this election. It is obvious that voters are siding with him.

Please read the Constitution, all of it, including the Preamble.

The preamble is not the law itself, and you have no point anyway because I know exactly where you're going with this.

You're going to say "GENERAL WELFARE" is the authority for INDIVIDUAL WELFARE and you're wrong.

This is a nation of the purest, harshest equality. No man deserves treatment any better or worse than any other man. There can be no INDIVIDUAL LAWS passed to the benefit of any one man. The laws must apply to ALL, or to NONE.

Individual welfare has EBT cards with Individual Names on them. They are PERSONALIZED LAWS and as such, are 100% completely against the absolute equality this nation was founded upon. All men are equal. Any man saying different is speaking against the very foundations of liberty and freedom.

Then immerse yourself in etiology so that you understand the use and underpinnings of the word "welfare".

Etiology is the study of disease. Yet another fine example of the failed public education system is on display. The word is "etymology" if you're talking about the study of our words and their origins.

Why are we paying for public education in this nation when all we get for our money is a population which is 40% functionally illiterate anyway? It's a waste of good money on bad students.

Then pray to your mythic sky god to give some understanding of what was created here.

God can bite me. I don't give a crap about any God, the bastard claims to be a King and I'm an American born to hate Kings and Kingdoms and everything they stand for. If I didn't vote for God then I'm not going to follow the unelected tyrant bastard.

Gene, sorry for the wrong word there - you are so correct and the etiology/etymology switch is something I've done throughout my life. Oh, that it wasn't you that found it!

Nevertheless: the Preamble is part of the Constitution, although many sad people have attempted, because of the "provide for the general welfare" clause, to deny it.

And and and - did you watch the Grammy presentation? When Taylor Swift sung "Why You Got To Be So Mean", lots of people were thinking first of Kanye, then of that producer, but I was thinking first and foremost of you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ir2hvKw5X_U

Got that, el; but (and it's a big giant but), whilst they've been legislating these things, they have also eroded our civil rights as individuals with FISA with the Big Brother concepts and now with the niggling little problem of taking the rights away from half of the US citizens. If a drone flies over my house, the operator will get a picture of my "Occupy" post-it (too dangerous to have a big sign here in rural south) and if I'm outside, me flashing it the bird.

I know the Bible says whoever live in love lives in God and God in him. The true worshiper will worship the Father in spirt and truth. Instead, many republican­s and Santorum ground their opposition in innuendo, name-calli­­ng and flagrant lying to drive a false narrative born of suspicion and fear. For me this raises doubt and concern about their so called christiani­ty and religion. Their words are not in line with what the Bible says. Santorum and republican­s would do best just leaving it out of politics the more they bring it up the more disingenuo­us they appear. They question President Obama's Faith yet have No Facts to back it up. When questioned about it they start back peddling which speaks volumes about them. It appear as though they are just thumping their Bible and not reading it. If your words and actions don't line up with Gods you need to quit calling yourself a Christian and get Real 4 Real.

I damned sure don't get my values from any dirtbags in Washington, D.C.!!!

If Washington D.C. is not the most evil place on Earth then it's still easily in the top ten. Only vile and corrupt bastards even want to live in that HELLHOLE. It's commonly the top contender for Murder Capitol of the USA, often topping even Bogota, Columbia for the number of homicides per capita.

My morals will NEVER come from that dump.

A few rich men payed for it and millions of poor and disenfranchised immigrants built it.

And ALSO paid for it, in blood, sweat, tears and punishment!

Obama 2012

#16:You think you would win, don't you? That is the most amazing fantasy of this political cycle. Do any of you have any idea of why you lost so badly in 2008? Do any of you realize that most people blame Bush for the economic crisis that we are now digging out of thanks to Obama's courage and practicality?

Hi sweetie, I love your comments. Keep up the good work. Always a joy to read!

Those of you who defend Bush and call Obama an empty suit would probably welcome a head to head vote of the public between Bush and Obama. You think you would win, don't you?

Can I have some fun with you? Thanks, I will.

Barack Obama won the Presidency in 2008 with 365 electoral votes. Is that really a great victory? Nope.

I can name some Presidents who won with more than 365 electoral votes. Would you like me to do so? I didn't think you would. That's why I'm gonna do it anyway.

Barack Obama (D) = 365

Bill Clinton (D) = 379 (1996)

George H.W. Bush (R) = 426 (1988)

Ronald Reagan (R) = 525 (1984)

Richard M. Nixon (R) = 520 (1972)

Lyndon B. Johnson (D) = 486 (1964)

Dwight D. Eisenhower (R) = 457 (1956)

Franklin D. Roosevelt (D) = 472 (1932)

Herbert Hoover (R) = 444 (1928)

Calvin Coolidge (R) = 382 (1924)

Warren G. Harding (R) = 404 (1920)

Woodrow Wilson (D) = 435 (1912)

Awww.... Did I just name over ten Presidents who did better in the Presidential election than Barack Obama in the past 100 years?

Yep, I sure did, and 2 out of 3 of them were Republicans.

Barack Obama's electability ain't all that and a bag of chips. His performance in the election really wasn't that great.

Yet Obama is our President and McCain is not.....

You were right, it was fun...

Yet Obama is our President and McCain is not.....

You were right, it was fun...

I'm GLAD McCain is not our President! Do you know the damage McCain would have done?

The DREAM ACT would have been passed and we'd have amnesty for illegal aliens by now.

Universal Health Care would have been based on ROMNEYCARE (same as Obamacare) but with Republican Blessings.

Gitmo would be closed and we'd be granting citizenship to accused terrorists in a neighborhood near you.

McCain's lesbian daughter would have gotten gay marriage legalized in all 50 States for sure.

The election between McCain and Obama was between the liberal kook big government lover A and the liberal kook big government lover B. There was no conservative in the election of 2008 at all.

Philistines, eh? Maybe the repubs will be struck with horrible hemorrhoids also.

Philistines, eh? Maybe the repubs will be struck with horrible hemorrhoids also.

Better than being stuck with horrible taxes by the taxmongering Democrats who never met a buck they didn't try to carve a chunk out of.

MeanGene-3334839, do you know what I am referencing?

Yellow Dog D,

I assume you're referencing the Philistines of Biblical lore.

The Philistines were the social workers of the day, bureaucrats in charge of the welfare of the poor (at least the ones they deemed worthy) whom they expected great praise from in exchange for their pittance of assistance.

Do I have that about right so far?

The modern day Philistine is the Welfare State. Like the Philistines of lore, they expect much grovelling and praise from those whom they assist, and heap great praise upon themselves for their great works of kindness even though the kindnesses costs nothing to themselves. You see, they're using other people's money for their own glory.

The Bible warns against the Philistines, and as such basically commands that no welfare check or program ever exist in the hands of people who use other people's money for their own prestige.

The Philistines are exactly why all welfare and food stamps and every other program by government needs to be ended immediately and with extreme prejudice.

MeanGene-3334839, actually I was referring to when the Philistines had captured the Ark of the Covenant and refused to release it. God struck them with hemorrhoids that hung out. I will go back and read and give the verses.

MeanGene-3334839, 1Samuel 1-12 will give the story.

Right on the nail head !!! The GOP agenda for America is "Self-Evident"---No Good at All !!!

@#18.................If I could vote your comment up more than once, I would !! +100

How does THAT work?

Not too freakin' well from the looks of things my friend!

#19.1:How does THAT work?

ROTFLMAO!!! Interesting to say the least!

The "Storm" is going to wipe away the Tea Party and the Hard Core right.

No, it sadly won't. What it may do is force them to go back underground. The TP and Hard Core right are little more than a rebranding of the Birch Society types. I remember when the GOP wouldn't give those wack-jobs the time of day. Unfortunately, the Repubs started listening to them and letting them drive the ENTIRE conversation, with the willing help of Faux Noise and the rest of the alleged "liberal" media.

...letting them drive the ENTIRE conversation...

might be an understatement. It appears to many that the GOP gave them not only the keys, but also a free tank of gas along with the 2012 GOP clown car.

That may help partly explain Santorum, he was one of the last one out of the clown car, the fumes inside are deadly because air quality standards are a leftist conspiracy - so they left it out.

#20.2:It appears to many that the GOP gave them not only the keys, but also a free tank of gas along with the 2012 GOP clown car.

That is so funny- and so true! Rotflmao 2012 clown car ~~~~ha-ha!

Are you implying that the GOP conservative base isn't all about those jokers on the GOP campaign trail and are about something else entirely?

I've heard talk for a couple years now that the GOP had a secret weapon hidden away and I've been waiting for them to whip it out,

I've been waiting for them to whip it out,

You and $arah!! ☺

I have read about 8 tons of BS here but seriously; do you guys have any clue to what the GOP conservative base stands for? Or even the Tea Party?

I do. It's why anyone with a brain is a Liberal.

TaxedEnoughAlready my Left buttcheek.

TotallyEthralledwithAryans Party fits a lot better.

Other than than, drag us back to ruination, let banks and corporations @!$%# us in any position they want, and kick any non-White Christian out of the country pretty well sums it up.

Or does everyone here belong to the OWS crowd or the hippie crowd from the 60s? That would explain everything I have read here- Lets see "Texas" 505356, so the name explains what I've read here, so much for the 3rd world economy states in need of more govt handouts paid for by the blue states.

Oops, guess I just messed with texas.

Texas-505356 Did you vote for bush twice??

The repub administration presided over a miserable, nightmarish and catastrophic failure with the death of 3,000 people on 911, thousands of soldiers in bush' wars and a 17 TRILLION DOLLAR economic loss in the US in bush's recession.

Changes in wealth after 2007
Household net worth fell from 2007 to 2009 by a total of $17.5 trillion or 25.5%. This was the equivalent loss of one year of GDP.[5] By the fourth quarter of 2010, the household net worth had recovered by a growth of 1.3 percent to a total of $56.8 trillion. An additional growth of 15.7 percent is needed just to bring the value to where it was before the recession started in December 2007.[2].... ..http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth_in_the_United_States

Again...how's that Socialists Security workers like me are paying for...working out pretty good is it?

You didn't work, you didn't eat. It was just that simple.

And the fact that that is no longer the case is what we call PROGRESS, sir.

It works out fine until you run out of money/jobs. Just ask Greece, Italy, Spain...

Just ask Greece, Italy, Spain

I prefer to ask people like Great Britain...you know, people who didn't give sovereign control of their economies to someone else.

"It works out fine until you run out of money/jobs."

3 Free trade agreements in 2000, 15 free trade agreements in 2008

Want to know where the jobs went? Asking the wrong party and a little late on asking the correct President.

Yes and American was an agrarian society with most people involved in food production. We had no cars, few roads, trains, plains, cities were what we would call villages today and to live to be 30 was the norm.

In the 30's, 40's, 50's and into the 60's and 70's? really ? I disagree people didn't expect government to come to the rescue... as they do now ...And to pretend they did is wrong!

People helped each other.... They didn't count on the GOVERNMENT to do it ...they did it! And we were a better people for it...

We are now becoming slaves to a government... But that is the normal course of a Society...

Societies are destined to follow a path... they are...

Born from Bondage and progress to spiritual faith

From spiritual faith to courage

From courage to liberty

From liberty to abundance

from abundance to complacency

From complacency to apathy

From apathy to dependence

From dependence back into BONDAGE...

I fear we are moving back into bondage to a nation that has bought our complacency which has allowed us to become apathetic and dependent...