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2.3 Billion Dollar Nuclear Power Plant Sits Unused Except As Tourist Attraction

Seeded on Thu Feb 16, 2012 10:46 PM EST
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In a dank, humid room 45 miles west of Manila is a direct line to the office of the Philippine president. The Bataan Nuclear Power Plant was to be the first nuclear plant in Southeast Asia. That never happened, and the power plant hasn’t generated a single kilowatt-hour since its completion in 1984. Owners sold off the uranium in 1997. In 2011, it was a reborn as a tourist attraction. The phone to the direct line sits on display, never used.

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luckydog

Sounds like the best use for a nuclear power plant.

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Reply#1 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 10:46 PM EST
nonStitiousZealot

Do you think that applies to every nuke , even the newer designs ?

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#1.1 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 10:56 PM EST
luckydog

Do you think that applies to every nuke , even the newer designs ?

Truthfully? Yeah. Several big problems with nukes have never been addressed. I gave up on nukes a few years ago when I saw that little progress was being made particularly with the issue of storing nuclear waste and persistent safety and security issues but the promises continue that the latest and greatest generation of nuclear plants will solve those problems once and for all. A lifetime of un-kept nuclear promises has made me a non-believer.

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#1.2 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 1:18 AM EST
Foy-49

Am I mistaken or are the latest/greatest, "newer designs", called "passive cooling plants" ?

If they are, isn't "passive cooling" just a greater reliance on gravity to move stored cooling water, and less reliance on diesel/electric pumps ?

Or am I completely screwed up ?

  • 1 vote
#1.3 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:05 AM EST
luckydog

I am not an engineer but my understanding is that all reactors are passively cooled to some extent. "Passively Cooled" as it is used in the nuclear industry seems to me to mean more efficiently cooled without power, or in other words it is a longer period of time until core meltdown occurs.

There are a lot of weasel words used in articles about new 'safer' nuclear power plants. In fact the word safer does not mean safe because failure in a nuclear power plant can have such catastrophic results. The fad now seems to be to criticize the older power plant designs as being inherently unsafe yet at the time they were state of the art and we blissfully accepted the word of the 'experts' that it was so and that they were safe.

Here is one ranking of the most vulnerable nuke plants in the U.S.

In the U.S. we get about 20% of our electrical power from nuclear. The fact is that with increased energy efficiency alone we can eliminate that 20% and more and with alternative energy such as wind and solar coming online rapidly there is no need for new or replacement nuclear power plants.

  • 3 votes
#1.4 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:27 AM EST
nonStitiousZealot

isn't "passive cooling" just a greater reliance on gravity to move stored cooling water, and less reliance on diesel/electric pumps ?

That's basically it . They have a 3 day supply of water coolant in an elevated tank . That way if the pumps are disabled there will still be 72 hours of coolant available . See my latest seed for more info .

  • 3 votes
#1.5 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:29 AM EST
Foy-49

Thanks - luckydog, and Stitous - I have been.

I know little, to "not much" about this technology

My understanding goes some thing like this -

The electric power is generated by generators, spun by steam turbines.

The steam is produced from the heat generated by nuclear reactions.

The problems arise when it becomes necessary to "shut down" a reactor in order to prevent a potential (run away) melt down ?

Thus, the importance of the cooling system. How am I doing so-far ?

  • 2 votes
#1.6 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 12:58 PM EST
luckydog

Pretty good.

Three Mile Island

Chernoybl

Fukushima Daichi

  • 2 votes
#1.7 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:49 PM EST
nonStitiousZealot

The only thing I would add to that is the use of control rods . These rods are inserted in the reactor core to slow down the reaction . They do that by absorbing the neutrons which sustain the reaction . IIRC they are made of some boron compound . If there is a system failure and they can't be inserted into the core then the reactor tends to overheat .

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#1.8 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:22 PM EST
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