Two female Republican members of the U.S. Senate, Sens. Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe of Maine, have broken rank with their party and come out in favor of a new rule issued by the Obama Administration that requires private health insurers to fully pay for the cost of contraception products.
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People over politics? Who knew they were capable of it?
- 32 votes
Sad that it is only two....
Sad that they are being 'rogue' over something silly like contraception as well.
Bravo to the two women!
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Although they've made the right move IMO, I think it was as political or lobbyist-based as any other move. I've been recently convinced by a formidable straw man I encountered that there isn't a such thing as a pure argument or one that applies uniformly to very many groups. Sometimes it works out in the people's favor and they get to stand atop soap boxes appearing as heroes, and sometimes it works out in the corporation or lobbyist's favor alone and we get to call them crooks.
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If Ms. Snowe and Ms. Collins were the standard bearers for the Republican Party, the GOP would receive a lot more support than it does. Either one of these two would give President Obama a very, very close election... but, they are marginalized in the Republican Party. Such a shame...
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Regardless of your obvious regional bias, these are two well known women in the RNC. This won't come out pretty with women voters for the right.
We'll see how "meaningless" it will be in November, eh?
- 18 votes
Fufu,
It's somewhat haunting that you put:
but, they are marginalized in the Republican Party
And the next comment below yours is:
from the liberal North East. Whoop de Do. Meaningless.
You're either a premier prognosticator, or the unhinged right has truly become predictable at every, single, step.
- 14 votes
Olympia Snow could give alot of you lefties on this site lessons in how to be a liberal.
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Sens. Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe of Maine
from the liberal North East. Whoop de Do. Meaningless.
Oh I forgot, they apparently aren't "Real Republicans"
- 13 votes
I'm glad these two have broken with the right on this issue - it's about time! And I hope it isn't the last! What a ridiculous issue for the right to pick up and try to run with. Lose/lose for them!
- 10 votes
You're either a premier prognosticator, or the unhinged right has truly become predictable at every, single, step.
Yes.
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from the liberal North East. Whoop de Do. Meaningless.
Greenwood, that sound is the sound of your coalition fracturing into a million pieces.
If Snowe and Collins are too liberal for your base, they will be replaced in upcoming elections with people who are liberal enough for their constituents, or they will change parties. Either way, you are going to lose those seats if you can't make room for something as utterly commonsense as contraception for all. Ejecting them from the party will have consequences to you.
If you're going to continue down this path of defining a correct Republican as being from the correct region, well you will get what you ask for, which is a party with no power whatsoever.
The whole idea of consent of the governed does not seem to enter into your party's worldview. Perhaps this is why the GOP is losing adherents center and left, and continue to goose-step to the right.
I remember when right-wingers used to whinge about being "politically correct." That problem never became as blatant on the left as it is on the right, where basic, simple, commonsense statements of fact are met with howls of outrage.
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Greenwood-
Yeah, they should be like all good Republican stooges and vote against their best interest. Silly nonsensical comment. Maybe if they were part of the good southern Republicans that still hate blacks and hispanics and think the conversation ends with the church's viewpoint they would get your support? Right?
- 7 votes
Some interesting statistics related to the topic;
In the United States, nearly 50 percent of pregnancies are unintended.
Between 2006 and 2008, women who had experienced unintended pregnancies said they had not used birth control for the following reasons:
**14 percent did not expect to have sex
http://www.livescience.com/18428-birth-control-health-care-rule-pregnancies.html
- 4 votes
Strange age we live in when "going rogue" is the same thing as "using common sense."
- 14 votes
The GOP backed down on stopping the extended unemployment, the tax cuts for middle class, they don't get the cuts to medicare/medicaid
Maybe these two women have brow beat Boehner, Cantor , McConnel
Hell hath no fury as a woman scorned, they are probably pissed the the Men in the GOP are paying WAY too much attention to uterus's
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from the liberal North East. Whoop de Do. Meaningless
Yeah, kind of like Romney?
- 2 votes
The Republicans stepped in it again. Now with two prominent Republican women coming out against the Party just sent a shot heard around the U.S.
The RNC is bleeding votes from this issue, and now it's a no-win situation.
The Obama campaign is not going to be about Romney, or Santorum, or Newt. It's going to be about the party and it's members. The campaign has already started and not a dime is being spent to advertise, because it's news. He's exposing the Right and the Republicans in vulnerable spots, traps that they willingly walked in to.
- 18 votes
@Studiusbagus,
As long as the Republicans are willing to put ideology over facts/common sense they will continue to provide fodder for Democrats and the election...
- 14 votes
I wonder why women would want to associate with the misogynist rightie scum at all.
Did you guys catch the rightie Fox News commentator Liz whoever saying women in army should expect and accept being raped ?
There should be a mass exodus of women from this party of stupid mother@!$%#ing medieval sons of bitches.
- 17 votes
I am Republican and Catholic and I disagree with my church. I know other Republican posters will bash me, but here is my argument. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Don't throw rocks in a glass house. What do I mean? You can't take millions of dollars in taxpayer funded federal "faith based" programs and turn around in the same breath and throw a fit over a contraception issue. Either shut the hell up and keep lining up at the federal doors for more hand outs or stop taking federal money and then you may complain.
- 24 votes
You make a good point, and I 100% agree that we should end tax breaks for religious institutions in this country. Pay your taxes, Jesus, Mohammed, Buddha or whatever/whoever you are.
- 7 votes
Gilf Hunter - Well stated. I hope more righties were like you....then i wouldn't have to hate them so much....
By the way ...is Gilf in similar vain as Milf ?
- 5 votes
Fact is, Republicans can't stand Snow or Collins. They are classic RINOs and we would love to see them out on their asses, but, like Murkowski of Alaska, we just can't get thier regional voters to get rid of them.
Now, to the point of the article... Are you Dems still desperatly trying to make this a Democrat vs. Republican issue? Good luck with that, seeing how every Republican I know has no problem at all with contraception.
The issue is about Obama trying to dictate to the church how it should practice its religion, and the majority of Americans see that plain as day, but keep trying to throw crap at the wall, you might be able to get somthing to stick eventually.
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The issue is about Obama trying to dictate to the church how it should practice its religion, and the majority of Americans see that plain as day, but keep trying to throw crap at the wall, you might be able to get somthing to stick eventually.
No, its more like dictating how the church should act in its role as an Employer who accepts federal funding.
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Neish - If the righties had the brains to understand the difference that you so eloquently articulated, they wouldn't be righties now ...would they ?
- 10 votes
Neish-
If that were the case, then why has Obama given waviers to hundreds of other big businesses as to not burden them with the different mandates of Obamacare?
Mrlndia-
same question, since you are so smart.
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ummmm ...Chumbkt ...could it have something to do with the fact that other big businesses don't demand nor receive any federal funding ?
- 6 votes
If that were the case, then why has Obama given waviers to hundreds of other big businesses as to not burden them with the different mandates of Obamacare?
Do these businesses receive federal funding?
And could you cite an example of one of these "big businesses" you are speaking of?
- 7 votes
Fact is that those two are real republicans and the tea party are the rhinos
Republicans of the past NEVER obstructed governance in the name of "purity" like these do.
TEA PARTY ARE THE RINO's
- 10 votes
wait a minute, so now the left is saying big business doesn't recieve funding from the gov. I thought just last week you were all whinning about all the gov. subsidies these businesses are getting!
make up your mind.
fact is, obama is picking and chooseing who he will give waivers too based on who are his friends (big doners).
and if you want a list of who is getting waivers to obamacare, google it, it's not hard.
lol.... now I've seen everything Mrlndia saying big business doesn't get federal monies... No, I imagine solyndra was just a lie, right?
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Subsidies and federal funding are two totally different things.
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chumbkt:
Fact is, Republicans can't stand Snow or Collins. They are classic RINOs and we would love to see them out on their asses, but, like Murkowski of Alaska, we just can't get thier regional voters to get rid of them.
Senators Snowe and Collins are elected by the people who are represented by them. What a concept! It matters not one whit whether you think they are RINOs or not - their "regional" voters chose them because instead of representing rigid ideology, they are representing their constituents - all of their constituents, not just the ones who have bats in their belfries.
But perhaps you have reason to hope: Dick Armey, the puppet of the Koch brothers, is bringing his Tea Party AstroTurf organization to bear against them, as well as the Heritage Foundation (the Koch-backed Tea Party "think tank" - the epitome of an oxymoron).
The GOP/TP has a real idiot picked to succeed Senator Snowe, a birther creature by the name of Scott D’Amboise. A stupid, lying worm - perhaps you would like him. The Portland Press-Herald gave a good run-down on him back in May. He's not improved in the time since then.
Or maybe you'd like Andrew Ian Dodge, an ex-pat, former Tea Party Patriots coordinator, H. P. Lovecraft fan-boy, author of The Idiots Guide to Cthulhu. A true winner there, don't you think?
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Neish1920 - No, its more like dictating how the church should act in its role as an Employer who accepts federal funding.
It’s even more complicated than that. If a school, any school, accepts a student on a Pell Grant, they are bound by the Federal terms and conditions which are just the same as if a school outright applied for any federal grant money, for any purpose."Affirmative Action" for example, would be a program anyone who accepts any federal dollars, must adhere to.
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H.P. Lovecraft is only one of the most revered writers ever, but, ok, your point?
Arlen Benedict Spector was a Republican once as well.
Former Senator Arlen Specter is not from Maine nor has he ever represented Maine; therefore he is not germane to the discussion. Please feel free to seed or write an article about him if you wish.
To primary Senator Snowe, you have the choice between a worm and someone who is infatuated with worms. Which do you chose?
- 2 votes
wait a minute, so now the left is saying big business doesn't recieve funding from the gov. I thought just last week you were all whinning about all the gov. subsidies these businesses are getting!
Federal funding with regard to medicare and medicaid. Industries other than healthcare may get subsidies, but the funding regarding the subject matter of this thread is tied to medicare and medicaid only.
- 2 votes
The waivers represent a transition into Obamacare. They do not last forever.
The republican party and the Catholic church leadership took a big hit by opposing free contraception. I don't understand why the republicans are campaigning against themselves.
- 8 votes
This is such a faux issue. Having contraceptives available on a health-care plan does not mean that the individual MUST USE THEM. Again, the demon Church wants to take away a woman's freedom, and they are backed by their hysterical Republican Party who are only happy when they are attacking woman's rights. Did nobody in the GNOP learn anything from the backlash last week with Komen?
And I second the motion that religious organizations should cease to be tax-exempt. Why are profit-making, private industries such as these getting tax breaks at all? And why shouldn't we the people have to power to say to them "You can't receive any benefit from the Nation's taxes while you continue to tyrannize your community".
- 9 votes
By the left's standards then Kerry and Biden went rogue on Obama.
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By the left's standards, differing opinions are allowed, diversity is encouraged.
- 12 votes
According to the left of course. You are not necessarily seen in the same perspective by others as you see yourself.
- 1 vote
The right has only one perspective it uses when viewing others: "They're different, therefore bad"
You see the Democratic Party doesn't make you sign a pledge that says "You must think like this or you can't be in the club"
Get my drift Tyler? Your perspective is limited by MANDATE.
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#7.3. No I don't.. A little less "drift" would be beneficial to the left.
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Of course you didn't....you CAN'T because your world view doesn't allow you to.
- 6 votes
#7.5. My view is the same as the media (including articles here on NBC) who say Obama stepped back and the White House itself who says they did not expect the back lash. Maybe you should broaden your horizons beyond what you tell yourself.
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Your view is the same as every other cookie cutter, plastic, artificial, myopic conservative around Tyler.
- 8 votes
#7.7 Fair enough since your view is the same as every other cookie cutter democrat around.
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Let's take Global Warming for instance: You on the right deny it even exists, or that if it does, man has NO part in it, or that if we do....oh well, too late to do anything about it.
All this despite the FACT that you cannot find ONE actual scientific study to back up any of your assertions. You believe it because the party requires you to.
We, on the other hand WELCOME new information, so that our views will evolve RATIONALLY.
- 8 votes
blue wolf:
All this despite the FACT that you cannot find ONE actual scientific study to back up any of your assertions.
But...but...but they have the Wall Street Journal!
(The link above is to an excellent article by Physicist-Retired about their "scientists".)
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What do you expect? This is the same party that swears that being gay is a choice even though members of their party and of Congress in general are in fact openly gay. Now if everybody is saying "Being gay isn't a choice." wouldn't you think before they continued their usual BS they would ask one of the gay politicians if it was in fact a choice? No, can't do that. Have to continue down the spiral of stupidity because the evangelicals demand it. It would be funny if it wasn't true.
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That link to Physicist-Retired is AMAZING. Thanks for posting it.
Burt Rutan is about the only person in the entire 16 that I would have much respect for and, as Physicist-Retired notes, he's talking outside his field of expertise.
I can see the Murdoch touch in this. The Wall Street Journal used to be a good paper ... before Murdoch got his claws into it.
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Throw 'em all out of the GOTP. Insult them. Call them RINOs - there seems to be one comment in this direction already. The purging of the once-functional Republican party will continue until only the most radical zealots remain, along with the puppetmasters who control them.
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And just like the rest of Nature (you can't get away from it..yaaaaaay!!!!) that which does not grow and change......dies.
- 6 votes
#8. That was all done in 2008 remember? A lot of good it did you in 2010. You had it all and couldn't hold on to it.
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There goes the Xmas cards from the Pope. I wonder how many Republican women are having one child an year? Unless they get permission directly from God they should all be pregnant. If not Why not. Unless there really Pro-Choice or there husbands are fags?
- 4 votes
Actually, more true than we might like to believe. My wife's grandmother had 19 children. Back in those days, it was different because in many cases, nearly all of them died.
Now I see the logic in the tea party plan!! They're destroying the ability poor people to get health care in the US and insisting that women are continuously pregnant so they can return to the Good Ol' Days.
And Sancti-moron will bring back a good old fashioned Inquisition to go along with it.
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The only 2 republicans with a brain. Now, get them to vote with intelligence on the other issues to prove you can be sane and be in the GOP.
- 7 votes
Congratulations to these two for standing for President Obama on this issue. I think our country has slipped a bit when many believe that contraceptives are not necessary. The teen pregnancy and abortion has leveled off and been reduced and this is a good development. We are much better off having women become pregnant due to planning not by surprise.
- 6 votes
These two Republican women are a political indicator of the exodus of more and more women from the Republican Party. Will the Republican leadership respond?
Will any Republican Party response be to admit their errors and reverse their misogamist platform?
Or will the Republican Party attack women for not adhering to their prescribed roles?
Given the recent (decade-long) history of the GOP, I imagine they'll attack women in general, and the two Senators from Maine in specific, for lack of compliance to ideology. That will make things worse.
Hell, actually, no matter what Republicans do, it always seems to make things worse. What's up with that?
- 4 votes
How has this conversation gone from Feds mandating coverage to inventing a new "Right" for women to receive free contraception?
thank you only you two women of the republican party, but let me tell you....your party has lost their freaking minds!!!! Now we got senator Roy Blunt trying to pass a bill to allow any employer on his moral grounds to not allow any insurance for their employees. Is this not crazy!!!! Do they think this is some rallying cry for their voters? Just wait til the rational thinking women come out against this!!! We ain't going backwards or in the back alleys!!!
- 4 votes
"Just wait til the rational thinking women come out against this!!! We ain't going backwards or in the back alleys!!!"
#14. If you followed the news and political sites you would know it is isn't being widely of interest to anyone right now. Rational people do move on.
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Tyler. . .It seems the news media does not highlight certain stories unless the repubs start fighting with dems. Women will learn about it and will speak up.
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#15.1. You think women don't know about it, it was all over the news for days. Do you even read the news? It's old news now and most everyone has moved on.
tyler...It may be old news, but if you have not noticed a senate republican congressman is sponsoring legislation and many of his colleagues have signed it in support. This bill will be going up for a vote shortly, so it ain't over cause the repubs think they have a winning strategy to turn this into some referendum on religious freedom. The repubs will do anything to cause chaos in their agenda to defeat Obama. But the women of America are too smart to be used as pawns. Thanks to their strategy, we have both republican candidates on the record supporting this absurd push by the republican congress with Mitch McConnell leading the charge. So go on and keep this going to rally the majority women voters to vote for Obama, thank you very much!! I repeat, we ain't going backwards!!!
- 3 votes
Just like many republican women will do, secretly in the voting booth, as they vote in favor of women's rights on Nov. 4th and in many cases vote to nullify the votes of their own husbands... not that any of them would admit it publicly, especially if there's any chance it could get back to their husbands... but yeah, I suspect that there's going to be a landslide at the polls.
- 2 votes
"not that any of them would admit it publicly, especially if there's any chance it could get back to their husbands.."
I think your clairvoyant claim that you know what republican women will do is just deluding yourself.
It's not that they are trying to get back at their husbands, they are just trying to protect their own interests.
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#16.2 Since you don't even know a percent of them that would show up on any scale, why not just quit pretending you know what they will do.
I know from experience. Many women in this nation don't vote the way they let their husbands believe they do. Especially when their own rights are on the line.
- 3 votes
men might want women to have access to birth control as well...
- 3 votes
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