Rep. Allen West: 'If Joseph Goebbels Was Around, He'd Be Very Proud Of The Democrat Party'

an old one for you, from 2005:

"GOP goes for broke defending TREASON: The withering Republican Assault on Truth Justice and the rule of law"

http://www.buzzflash.com/editorial/05/07/edi05058.html

'tell a lie 5 times it becomes the truth.' I guess if you lie about something, you must repeat it often enough, so more and more people will start to believe it.

I wonder if the people of his district were thinking...

In Goebbels' day in Germany, West would have been classified as an "untermenschen" because of his "non Aryan" blood and features, hauled off to the nearest camp where he would have been disposed of in a puff of smoke.

Stupid little man.

another poster boy for birth control

Do you have a brain?

use him as the tool he is

show and tell to teach with, this is your brain, this is your brain on Republican Kool Aid

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” J Goebbles/A West

This actually describes the entire United States government and its partner in crime, the Corporate Wall Street Media.

West is a Tea Party guy, and so "feeding the base red meant" is what they all do. Facts have no meaning, only stoking the hate works in their warped and twisted minds. He is one sick SOB.

For perhaps many a person will ask himself the question, why are we fighting at such great distances? We are fighting at such great distances in order to protect our homeland, in order to keep the war as far removed from us as possible and to spare us from what would otherwise be its fate, Adolf Hitler November 8, 1942 in Munich

The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists [Liberals] for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country; Hermann Göring
Who says I am not under the special protection of God? Adolf Hitler

“Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it" ~ Adolf Hitler

The similarities to this and to what the GOP have done for the last 30 years is striking.

This rant by West is another example of turning reality on its head, it’s how they think, and so thats how they think everyone thinks.

Thieves look around them in a crowd and see nothing but other thieves.

They are cognitively incapable of conceiving that anyone has higher, less self serving motivations then they do… It’s really sad. But if you point it out they give they childish excuse of t”they do it too” because of the fake Democrats that get caught, Like Libermen.

Humanitarianism is the expression of stupidity and cowardice. Adolf Hitler

Universal education is the most corroding and disintegrating poison that liberalism has ever invented for its own destruction. Adolf Hitler

What Party wants to end the Affordable Healthcare Act?

What Party said they want to close the Department of Education.

“Socialism is a fraud, a comedy, a phantom, a blackmail.”Benito Mussolini The Liberal State is a mask behind which there is no face; it is a scaffolding behind which there is no building. Benito Mussolini

"Fascism, which was not afraid to call itself reactionary... does not hesitate to call itself illiberal and anti-liberal. Benito Mussolini

“Democracy is beautiful in theory; in practice it is a fallacy”Benito Mussolini

“All within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state.”Benito Mussolini

So we know who the “Reactionaries” are don’t we.

The GOP leadership is freaking out at West to apologize because they know what a huge can of worms this opens up for the Right-Wingers.

using a historical quote is unfair

obviously this idiot has no concept of history, and his story I'm sure changes with each day

God's waiting room, senility is okay to vote, not having a photo ID is not okay. Go figure.

Brian-497171

I don't know who exactly lives and votes in Florida but they are an endless source of disappointment.

I have a retired electrician from New York that does work for me on occasion. Rabid pro-union, but his car is covered in anti-Obama bumper stickers and he a big fan of West to boot.

I have a retired electrician from New York that does work for me on occasion. Rabid pro-union, but his car is covered in anti-Obama bumper stickers and he a big fan of West to boot.

I find that quite odd given your electrician is a pro-union guy yet supports a party that is quite anti-union. Very odd.

jupmod

They concoct these anecdotal arguments all the time here on the Right in Newsvine.

This as opposed to GOP/TP'ers who sit idly and soak up three-four hours of Limbaugh a day and repeat his nonsense like Mynah birds. That is much more the Goebbels way. THrow in a little Fox News and you get the continual indoctrination of the idea that the favored are to blame for nothing and that others are defective and responsible for all that is bad in the world. In effect it is little more than brainwashing and Goebbels was hardly the first practitioner.

not only moderates, but make them look sensible, now that is a trick

not only moderates, but make them look sensible, now that is a trick

let's not get carried away...lol...

any more insanity and i will have to be carried away, in a straight jacket, not a gay jacket but a straight jacket taking FDA sanctioned drugs, no self-medicating for me no sir,

It sounds like an accurate statement to me. If the progressives were honest they would just admit that they are the American socialist party.

Few Americans actually have any understanding at all about socialism as an economic system. Our kids are not allowed to learn about it in school, and about the only time the word arises in our language is when it is used disparagingly on Talk Radio, Corporate Media, and repeated by well-conditioned citizens like yourself.

It is amusing to hear anyone criticize socialism when they try to extol the "virtues" of capitalism, which is a modern system of owners and citizen wage-slaves.

You mean like the teapottiers and the ultra right should admit they are the American Taliban party?

Ok gotcha.

Cas , when nazis use the word socialism it a misnomer, their is no real democratic social democratic principals applied, it is a race based nationalism, hatred of the other(the minority/the gyspsy. the Jew/the muslim) intolerance of intellectuals, arts and Multiculturalism, belligerent chauvinism and militarism. Who does that sound like? Hint...its not Democrats.

North korea is neither a democracy nor a republic, but that doesn't stop them from calling themselves the democratic republic of korea.

Now something cons are loathe to think about, is of the Nazi Movement, the silver shirts, the purest form of Fascism to hit America that idolized Hitler, and wore uniforms like those of the Brownshirts They were the silver legion. They were conservative. They were Christian;

On January 30, 1933, Adolf Hitler was appointed Chancellor of Germany.William Dudley Pelley, an admirer of Hitler, was inspired to found the Silver Legion, an extremist and antisemitic organization whose followers (known as the Silver Shirts and "Christian Patriots") wore Nazi-like silver uniforms. The Silver Legion's emblem was a scarlet L, which was featured on their flags and uniforms. Pelley founded chapters of the Silver Legion in almost every state in the country, and soon gained a considerable number of followers.[7]

Pelley traveled throughout the United States and holding mass rallies, lectures, and public speeches in order to attract Americans to his organization. Pelley's political ideology consisted of anti-Communism, antisemitism, racism, extreme patriotism, isolationism, pyramidology and British Israelism[8] , themes which were the primary focus of his numerous magazines and newspapers, which included Liberation, Pelley's Silvershirt Weekly, The Galilean, and The New Liberator

The Silver Shirts

The first thing Hitler did when he was made Chancellor for Life was to abolish the the Democratic Socialist.

Americanism i.e. American Democracy, is socialism, Marx wasn’t born until 1818, this quote is from 1811.

"The happiness and prosperity of our citizens... is the only legitimate object of government and the first duty of governors...Our revenues liberated by the discharge of the public debt, and its surplus applied to canals, roads, schools, etc., the farmer will see his government supported, his children educated, and the face of his country made a paradise by the contributions of the rich alone, without his being called on to spend a cent from his earnings." --Thomas Jefferson to Thaddeus Kosciusko, 1811.

I’m German.

Do you want to have this argument with me that Hitler was a left leaning socialist?

Bring it!

Germany has the oldest universial healthcare system in Europe, I thought the Socialist Hitler lost?.

If you go to Germany and tell someone that Hitler was a socialist, maybe you won’t get punched in the face, but I doubt it.

"An hereditary aristocracy... will change the form of our governments from the best to the worst in the world. To know the mass of evil which flows from this fatal source, a person must be in France; [note the date is just before the French Revolution of 1791, when it was still a small government Monarchy.] he must see the finest soil, the finest climate, the most compact State,(small government) the most benevolent character of people,(They are the blessed) and every earthly advantage combined, insufficient to prevent this scourge from rendering existence a curse to twenty-four out of twenty-five parts of the inhabitants of this country." --Thomas Jefferson to George Washington, 1786

" I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country. "

Thomas Jefferson, 3rd US president 1801-1809

That first quote is copied from one of my Early American History Lessons.

I know because [note the date is just before the French Revolution of 1791, when it was still a small government Monarchy.] is my note in my own words to the students.

The Nazis were "in no way socialist" in the same way that Stalinist Russia was "in no way fascist".

There is a case to be made in certain regards. And at the far extremes of left and right things start looking very similar.

“Socialism is sacrificing the individual to the whole.”
—Joseph Goebbels

tychonaut

If your quote "Socialism is sacrificing the individual to the whole" is what Goebbels believed, then I would contend that Goebblels was more in line with the right wing and Ayn Rand "every man for himself mentalities" that hates social programs eminating from government.

All extremes belong to the Right. Socialism predates Marx and is not “Left.”

There is not now, nor has there ever been a functioning Communist government, The Communist movement was taken over by the Far-Right, just as the always do in any popular movements, just as they did with the Tea Party. Just as they tried to do with the Fake Democrats running in the primary recall elections in Wisconsin.

Communist governments are ALL Far-Right small governments of the privileged wealthy elite subjugating the majority by force and intimidation.

Know a tree by it’ fruit!

Communist governments are ALL Far-Right small governments of the privileged wealthy elite subjugating the majority by force and intimidation.

Then they aren't really communist governments are they? :)

And I would argue that communism was practiced for a lot longer than capitalism in our history. But of course communism is not socialism, and it is just as difficult to find a truly capitalist government.

Socialism/communism arose as a reaction to a certain set of conditions (the fact that more and more people seemed to be leading miserable lives while somehow more and more wealth was being generated). It presented itself as a radical departure from the "status quo" and was by nature at odds with the predominant ideology in a way that capitalism never was. Capitalism never had to reckon with another prevailing ideology feeling threatened by it, trying to destroy it.

I agree that communism has never worked out on a large scale. (Yet!). But it is really hard for me to imagine any kind of an optimistic future under a capitalist system where, as we have seen pretty clearly, money (power) seems to be collecting more an more in the hands of fewer and fewer, without any real historically proven method of preventing that from happening. At least communism has a light at the end of the tunnel. We are pretty much living in the light at the end of the capitalist tunnel. Capitalism = materialism and consumerism. Is that really what we were put here for? To labour for half of our waking lives so that the precious "produce things to buy so that you have money to buy the things that are produced .. or all is doomed!" cycle stays running?

And just like the prevalence of organized religion doesn't prove it "right" (at least for me), or mean that "that's just they way humans have to be", the prevalence of capitalism doesn't prove it's superiority in my books. Then of course you have the strong link between communism and atheism. Both basically saying "ok .. we have these huge hierarchical power structures.. do we really need this, or are we just being sold on the idea that we need it by those with vested interests?"

As for the Nazis - you had the intent to destroy class boundaries and create a society based on individual merit and service to the state. You had nationalization of industry and planned economy. You had a barrage of social and welfare programs. I'm not going to argue that the Nazis were textbook socialists (or good guys!), but enough academic thought has been devoted to the notion that it shouldn't just be disregarded offhand.

Whoops. Someone put an extra shot of "rant" in my coffee!

BTW - I am currently living in former East Berlin and I work part-time as a guide at the concentration camp outside of town, so I get to talk about this stuff *a lot*.

I’m so sick of this… Saying that people should stop being sheep is as likely to happen as telling sheep to stop being sheep will!

"Men by their constitutions are naturally divided into two parties: 1. Those who fear and distrust the people, and wish to draw all powers from them into the hands of the higher classes. 2. Those who identify themselves with the people, have confidence in them, cherish and consider them as the most honest and safe, although not the most wise depositary of the public interests. In every country these two parties exist, and in every one where they are free to think, speak, and write, they will declare themselves. Call them, therefore, Liberals and Serviles, Jacobins and Ultras, Whigs and Tories, Republicans and Federalists, Aristocrats and Democrats, or by whatever name you please, they are the same parties still and pursue the same object. The last one of Aristocrats and Democrats is the true one expressing the essence of all." -- Thomas Jefferson to Henry Lee, 1824.

1. Those who fear and distrust the people, and wish to draw all powers from them into the hands of the higher classes.

there is no mistaking this in todays climate...

No mistake. History repeats.