Advanced WWII Japanese Super Subs Discovered Sunk Off the Coast of Hawaii

News Type: Event — Seeded on Sun Nov 15, 2009 1:30 AM EST

Article Source: discovermagazine.com

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Americans scientists have rediscovered the remains of two advanced Japanese submarines from World War II, buried in the waters off Hawaii. But these shipwrecks, the I-14 and I-201, aren't relics of a great Pacific Theater battle. Rather, the U.S. captured and then sank them on purpose, along with three others Japanese ships including the gargantuan I-401, which was found back in 2005.

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luckydog

Overmatched by American industrial output the Japanese nevertheless had some fascinating technology at the end of the war.

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#1 - Sun Nov 15, 2009 1:35 AM EST

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The Spirit

Necessity is the mother of invention.

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#2 - Sun Nov 15, 2009 4:34 AM EST

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Bob Nelson.

When a country knows that it is overmatched industrially, so that it is sure to lose the race for volumes of arms, there isn't much choice but to try for quality of arms. Germany produced the Me262 jet fighter.

But the risk (as happened to the Germans) is that the effort to built these super-weapons is greater than the advantages that the weapons bring. The V1 and V2 rockets were a terrible industrial drain, while not really doing much damage.

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#3 - Sun Nov 15, 2009 9:52 AM EST

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luckydog

Not to mention the loss to Germany of the intellectual power of their Jewish citizens. In addition slave labor does not produce the best quality war material.

German ideology prohibited the use of women in war work unlike the allied countries with the Russians going so far as to actively use large numbers in combat.

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#3.1 - Sun Nov 15, 2009 2:46 PM EST

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whitehood

Actually the Me 262 only achieved a 1 to 1 kill loss ratio and used up a lot of man hours to remain on the flight line. It had only a 30 to 35 minute flight time was not that fast when heavy and the engines were mechanically unreliable. There were lots of problems with the aircraft and it never lived up to expectations.

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#3.2 - Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:11 PM EST

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luckydog

Yeah but if they had them in quantity earlier and had enough fuel for them they were effective enough that they could have stopped the bombing raids over Germany cold. Thanks to Hitler though that never happened.

And if the Brits hadn't blown off the Jet Engine for years an effective countermeasure could have been developed earlier also.

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#3.3 - Wed Nov 18, 2009 12:46 AM EST

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whitehood

They had them in quantity and the Jumo engines used kerosine not gasoline. The aircraft was restricted to strips with long concrete runways and was too heavy. The Germans had to use steel for parts of the airframe and the landing gear wouldn't support the aircraft on anything but a soft three point landing. A third of them were lost in landing accidents. The engines were slow to respond and prone to flame out. Lose an engine at under 200 knots and you lose the aircraft. The armament wasn't optimal against bombers because of closing speed and it didn't have top quality armor. Even good pilots had problems with the aircraft. It would bleed off speed in any kind of turn, didn't roll worth a damn, it was just fast. F80's would have cleaned its clock and they could have been rushed into production. Trim 6000 pounds off the aircraft and improve the engines and it becomes pretty good. BTW most of the bombers shot down were downed by rockets which were fired into massed formations and not by guns.

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