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2 More Gop Senators Defect On Iraq - Dems May Soon Have Enough Votes For Drawdown

Seeded on Sat Jul 7, 2007 4:35 PM EDT

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"Wearied by the lack of progress in Iraq and by the steady stream of military funerals back home, a growing number of Republican lawmakers who had stood loyally with President Bush are insisting his strategy has failed and are calling on him to bring the war to an end," Noam N. Levey writes for Saturday's LA Times. "In the last two weeks, three GOP senators — including one of the party's leading voices on foreign affairs and one of Bush's strongest allies — have urged the president to change course now so U.S. troops can start to withdraw."

On Friday, Senator Lamar Alexander of Tennessee told the paper, "It should be clear to the president that there needs to be a new strategy. Our policy in Iraq is drifting;" and "Sen. Judd Gregg of New Hampshire, who helped lead the charge earlier this year against Democratic efforts to oppose Bush's troop buildup, said: 'We don't seem to be making a lot of progress.'"

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Public Discussion (25)

luckydog

Too bad so many Americans have to die and be wounded for them to see the obvious...

7 votes

#1 - Sat Jul 7, 2007 4:37 PM EDT

determined0a1

The miracle that I am waiting from any politician is to stop the crime at least 90%.

A lot of baloney: "the President needs new strategies"

Fine, where are the new stategies? Chapter and Verse.

The ball is in Iraq's court.

3 votes

#1.1 - Sat Jul 7, 2007 4:42 PM EDT

Spooky Boyfriend

The miracle that I am waiting from any politician is to stop the crime at least 90%.

Can you clarify that? I appreciate you are not a native speaker of English but I can't tease out the meaning on that one.

4 votes

#1.2 - Sat Jul 7, 2007 7:10 PM EDT

luckydog

It's real simple determined, here it is chapter and verse. If what you are doing, doesn't work, if it is making the situation worse and getting people killed, stop doing it.
I have said many times on newsvine but I guess one more time won't hurt. Pullback to non-populated areas and to surrounding willing countries. Avoid interfering in Iraqi on Iraqi fights. Quit attacking militias. Focus only on Al Quaeda and where possible help with reconstruction. Return as many troops as feasible to US to rest and refit. Deploy more troops to Afghanistan and focus on nation building there.

11 votes

#1.3 - Sat Jul 7, 2007 7:11 PM EDT

gpnavonod

Deploy more troops to Afghanistan and focus on nation building there

Sounds like a new chapter to me !
The verse is :
logical moves verses Illogical status quo

2 votes

#1.4 - Sun Jul 8, 2007 3:35 AM EDT

John Beales

You hit the nail on the head gpnavonod!

1 vote

#1.5 - Sun Jul 8, 2007 4:25 AM EDT

gpnavonod

Thank you, Mr.Beales-
It was just a "Lucky" guess-

#1.6 - Mon Jul 9, 2007 2:36 AM EDT

gedanken_1

http://tinyurl.com/2kvtqs

4 votes

#2 - Sat Jul 7, 2007 6:05 PM EDT

determined0a1

We need a caveman or just going back to Adam or our own Evita to start all over again.

1 vote

#2.1 - Sat Jul 7, 2007 6:18 PM EDT

gedanken_1

http://tinyurl.com/2kvtqs

3 votes

#2.2 - Sat Jul 7, 2007 7:33 PM EDT

Dan Hallo, aka, Zoilus

We need a caveman or just going back to Adam or our own Evita to start all over again

n.
Letting the father of all conservatives Cain, live for killing his brother is the only thing we need to undo.

3 votes

#2.3 - Sat Jul 7, 2007 9:57 PM EDT

JayMack

Good seed Luckydog. I have a count of 11 repubs who have spoken out against the W/H & Iraq. They sure talk the talk near election time but it remains to be seen if they would walk the walk in the form of a vote for a redeployment. The repubs are known to go off the cliff with the party leader. Look at the 06 election & how many repub positions were lost. Do they hang in there & lose again? We all wait and wonder.

3 votes

#3 - Sat Jul 7, 2007 8:11 PM EDT

determined0a1

What happened in 2006 it was our choice, we wanted to send some messages around that we were not happy with the poor job done in our Congress and we have the Voting power always.
The Dems took the power and what's is happening? 300 investigations in 90 days I read. Sheesh, Medicare and Medicaid needs to improve, Social Security and many other issues.

The more investigations the more the raising of the bar for the Dems.

1 vote

#3.1 - Sat Jul 7, 2007 8:19 PM EDT

Spooky Boyfriend

Det, stay on track babe...

5 votes

#3.2 - Sat Jul 7, 2007 8:29 PM EDT

JayMack

Det....The investigations are needed and would move much faster if the dems got the data they need without going the subpoena route.

There are many issues but the Iraq war should hold priority be you repub or dem, for the country.

As for raising the bar, if there still is a bar after the past 5 years, raising the bar is fine in my book. The bar is for both repub or dem & that's OK by me. Hoist that thing out of the muck and the country will be better off.

5 votes

#3.3 - Sat Jul 7, 2007 8:51 PM EDT

luckydog

Good point Jay. They tend to fake us out sometimes as we believe nobody could be that dumb but then they go and prove us wrong. The bar should be high indeed.

2 votes

#3.4 - Sat Jul 7, 2007 10:46 PM EDT

gedanken_1

I have a count of 11 repubs who have spoken out against the W/H & Iraq.

I guess Rep. Jack Murtha is no longer a traitor. Aah, the good olde days when chickenhawks could call Murtha a traitor. :-)

http://tinyurl.com/2l93xn

7 votes

#4 - Sat Jul 7, 2007 8:48 PM EDT

luckydog

From hero to traitor to visionary. What a journey. He always was my hero.

5 votes

#4.1 - Sat Jul 7, 2007 10:48 PM EDT

determined0a1

Mr. Luckydog

I have to deviate from the main subject of your seed but everytime that I see your avatar looks to me a burned burger between the bun.

Now I go back to the regular point.

2 votes

#5 - Sun Jul 8, 2007 5:45 AM EDT

luckydog

hehehe. It's a sunset over a favorite fishing hole but I could see how it might appear that way but believe me it is prettier than my mug. One of these days I will get around to changing it.

3 votes

#5.1 - Sun Jul 8, 2007 12:39 PM EDT

luckydog

There you go determined. I changed my avatar in honor of your comment.

#5.2 - Mon Jul 9, 2007 2:38 PM EDT

ron c. baker sr.

who ia a traitor? a man calling for getting out of a war that was illegal and wrong, or the man that put us there and refuses to get us out. who is a traitor? god, man, is bish such am idal to thre far right that removing him from office is equated with denial of god?

5 votes

#6 - Sun Jul 8, 2007 10:30 AM EDT

ron c. baker sr.

yea, yea. should have been bush, idol,the. forgot my glasses.

3 votes

#7 - Sun Jul 8, 2007 10:33 AM EDT

determined0a1

Mr. Luckydog, please, if I kew that you were to change your avatar I could never had commenedt. Thanks.

#8 - Tue Jul 10, 2007 7:00 AM EDT

luckydog

Thank you Determined and that's ok. It was definitely time for a change and you did me a favor by reminding me.

1 vote

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